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Jul. 25th, 2006

08:12 am - Against linear narrative, as such

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Lately, I've been struck by how much linear narrative has re-asserted its dominance in poetry. By linear narrative, I mean that the poem shows a progression of events in sequential order, frequently (in the case of what emerges from slam) in first person, with commentary.

Now, this is a structure I've used several times myself, although it's never been my favorite. It's not that there's anything inherently wrong with it, but on the whole, I'm forced to ask, "Why didn't you just write a short story?" In slam and performance poetry, the difference between a poem and a monologue are slight, to the point where I'm often not entirely sure what's what on the stage.

A lot of people seem to be unclear on the distinction the two genres of writing hold. The woefully uneducated will tell you that it's the fact that one has line breaks and the other doesn't, and considering the head of a major writing program once told one of my reporters that, I think we can assume that the depths of miseducation spread wider than we've been lead to assume.

For me, there's two bellwethers to show whether something is poetry or prose. The first -- and this is a personal standard, mind -- is that the role of fiction is to show the course of change, whereas poetry's job is to show the moment of change. It's a fine distinction, and possibly only applicable to contemporary writing, but then, we're not actually writing in any other era, so there you are.

With fiction, you have characters whom are lead through a plot that, at the end, changes them in some way. Maybe small, maybe large, but at the very least, the protagonist shouldn't be the exact same person he or she was at the beginning. Culturally, it's a tool to understand why things effect us, to help us understand that life does change us. (Not its only role, to be certain, but it's the one that's interesting to me right this second.)

In poetry, it is less important (and indeed, usually counterproductive) to look so much at the why of change, or how the change came to occur, than it is to look at the exact moment of the change. This is why Billy Collins is so appealing: Because he's mastered the art of capturing that small epiphany. And the moment can be complex -- see Eliot's "The Wasteland" -- but fundamentally, we're still looking at one moment there, at the reduction of what's left when the story's been boiled away and left to its raw, emotional elements.

The other factor, and it's a big one for me, is that poetry demands a transformation of one thing into another. Without use of metaphor, there is no poem. I really do believe there's something magical in that portrayal -- the moment Tam-Lin transforms into a hawk, the patient etherized upon a table. In that moment, we are absolutely, 100% free to remix reality in any way we see fit. And yet, so few writers actually do it. Perhaps there's something frightening in that freedom. Perhaps they simply can't imagine a life where the sky is not above them, the ground not below.

In poetry, any aspect of reality is up for grabs, and yet we frequently feel bound to the laws of physics, as if they were applicable here. And perhaps that's why there's so much safety and comfort in the linear narrative: It provides the structure for us. There's a beginning, a middle and an end. Without that narrative, we'd be forced to create our own structures, and that's a frightening prospect.

The mistake I see a lot these days, on both stages and in the pages of journals, is to confuse the object of a poem with its own emotional resonance. It's the difference between saying "a table" and telling me what the table feels like, what emotions the table evokes. (Don't tell me a table doesn't evoke emotions. People read love letters at tables, write letters to their children at them, have sex on them. Everything resounds in one way or another.)

But you don't have to approach that resonance head on. Sometimes, it's best to approach that resonance from a series of associations, from seemingly disconnected things that combine to create an impression that approximates the feeling you're trying to convey.

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From:[info]radioactiveart
Date:July 25th, 2006 02:42 pm (UTC)
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Hmmmm...

So, does this mean we discard "Beowulf" and all the other English narrative poems?

Obviously, I know it doesn't, and I know you don't think so. But there have to be shadings between those two positions.

You know my love of seemingly disconnected associations -- hell, I wrote about all this in my own work in my last column -- so this is an exciting topic for me...
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From:[info]ocvictor
Date:July 25th, 2006 02:57 pm (UTC)
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I re-iterate: It's a fine distinction, and possibly only applicable to contemporary writing, but then, we're not actually writing in any other era, so there you are.

I think there's a point where you have to acknowledge that poetry now is not poetry as it was. Which makes it no less valuable.

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From:[info]radioactiveart
Date:July 25th, 2006 03:01 pm (UTC)
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So, what's the difference? Why the need to shift now?

I've always thought that we could do with MORE narrative poetry, of course. As long as it's good.
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From:[info]ocvictor
Date:July 25th, 2006 03:08 pm (UTC)
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I couldn't disagree more on the latter point, actually. I think the journals and readings are overflowing with narrative, and too many writers cling to it because it's the only way they know to structure a poem.

As to the first point, I'm not sure there is a need to do it now, although I'm certainly bored to tears with linear narrative. However, I think a poem in that structure has to be utterly remarkable to get my attention anymore, the style's so played out. Like I said, the bulk of what's in the journals and the bulk of what's in the slam fails to rise above mere story. Most of it might as well be fiction or dramatic monologue, the difference is so slight.
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From:[info]ocvictor
Date:July 25th, 2006 03:43 pm (UTC)
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I think I need to be more specific: We don't need? to shift now (except perhaps to appease me, which is everybody's goal, I'm sure) but poetry is in a constant state of transition, and sometimes I think it's worth stepping back and seeing if where it is is in line with where it's going and where it can be.

Here, on the actual 20th anniversary of the poetry slam at that, is a good a day as any to step back and see if the work around us is, by and large, stagnant stylistically. I think it is, but others are welcome to disagree. To my mind, a great deal of the work I'm seeing is unimaginative and reactionary. Old dogs still doing old tricks.

But that's beside the point -- it'll all change whether we want it to or not. That's what it does.
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From:[info]radioactiveart
Date:July 25th, 2006 04:14 pm (UTC)
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But it always is unimaginative and reactionary. Everything is. I invoke Sturgeon's Law here.

I'd like to hear, specifically, more realistic and nuanced narrative work that is political in nature. I've always thought story telling is a better way to make a political point.

The real problem, to my ears and eyes, is that there have never been as many BAD poets in the public eye -- at least in part due to slam and other media outlets. It's not the nature of narrative poetry itself, it's that people can't write it.

This from a guy who writes so little of it.
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From:[info]ocvictor
Date:July 25th, 2006 04:25 pm (UTC)
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>But it always is unimaginative and reactionary. Everything is. I invoke Sturgeon's Law here.

Well, there is that ...

>I'd like to hear, specifically, more realistic and nuanced narrative work that is political in nature. I've always thought story telling is a better way to make a political point.

See, I'd actually like to se emore of this in fiction. I'm even more despondent over the state of political fiction than I am the state of poetry. I am overflowing with despair. That weeping sound you hear in the distance? That's me.

OK, I'm not that despondent, and I'd hate to infer that there's not good -- even great -- poems being written in narrative form, but, see, I know how the trick's done. I've seen the magicians do it a thousand times. I want something new.

>It's not the nature of narrative poetry itself, it's that people can't write it.

Again, I'll stop you when you're lying, but I think there are very substantive reasons why we see so many cheap knock offs of straightforward narrative and so few cheap copies of, say, Ellyn Maybe or Jeff McDaniel. Jeff and Ellyn's tricks are harder to duplicate, even badly. (Yes, I'm totally turning this into an East Coast-West Coast thing. Soon, we will be fighting in the streets like gangstas. WEST SIDE! :)

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From:[info]velvetdahlia
Date:July 25th, 2006 02:43 pm (UTC)

I am so with you on this one.

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The other factor, and it's a big one for me, is that poetry demands a transformation of one thing into another. Without use of metaphor, there is no poem. I really do believe there's something magical in that portrayal -- the moment Tam-Lin transforms into a hawk, the patient etherized upon a table. In that moment, we are absolutely, 100% free to remix reality in any way we see fit. And yet, so few writers actually do it. Perhaps there's something frightening in that freedom. Perhaps they simply can't imagine a life where the sky is not above them, the ground not below.

Right on. I return to Ovid, always, for his transformations and his morfing of linear narrative. Frankly I think fiction writers need to read more good poetry and learn some of this reality remixing, some evocative expediency that good poets have.
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From:[info]ocvictor
Date:July 25th, 2006 02:59 pm (UTC)

Re: I am so with you on this one.

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I totally agree, but then, I've always believed that disparate genres of writing have a lot to learn from one another.
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Date:July 25th, 2006 06:39 pm (UTC)

Re: I am so with you on this one.

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Oh and I think I can guess what head of department said that about line breaks...
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From:[info]ocvictor
Date:July 25th, 2006 06:54 pm (UTC)

Re: I am so with you on this one.

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Heh. I have a sneaking suspicion you can. (:
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From:[info]insomnius
Date:July 25th, 2006 03:32 pm (UTC)
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I came across this post while reading my friendsfriends page, and I was mightily taken by it ...

In poetry, it is less important (and indeed, usually counterproductive) to look so much at the why of change, or how the change came to occur, than it is to look at the exact moment of the change.

... that bit, in particular. Writing is something I'm trying to do more of, and your journal looks interesting and likely to provoke writerly impulses, so I hope it is all right if I friend you.
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From:[info]ocvictor
Date:July 25th, 2006 03:35 pm (UTC)
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By all means. I'm a cantankerous old bastard, but you're more than welcome to put up with me. (:
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From:[info]just_jeff
Date:July 25th, 2006 04:59 pm (UTC)

the main answer to "why not just

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write a short story," at least as far as slam goes: writers in this form want to tell their stories to an audience and the slam provides an appreciative forum in which to do so.
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From:[info]ocvictor
Date:July 25th, 2006 05:20 pm (UTC)

Re: the main answer to "why not just

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Sure, I get that. But it's still not a very good answer. I've no real objection to fiction or the monologue -- I've written both -- but just because they're being presented in a venue with the word "poetry" in the title doesn't mean I have to pretend it's such. Sometimes, ya gotta call a spade a gosh darn shovel.
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From:[info]just_jeff
Date:July 25th, 2006 07:18 pm (UTC)

Re: the main answer to "why not just

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DANGER WILL ROBINSON, DANGER! The "what is and isn't poetry" conversation is fraught with peril! It will suck MANY HOURS of your life down into it's ravenous and Hooverish maw and send you into a circular circle of circles!

plus, the "boy, whatever that was, it sure did suck" conversation is WAY more fun ;)
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From:[info]ocvictor
Date:July 25th, 2006 07:54 pm (UTC)

Re: the main answer to "why not just

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Well, your not wrong, but I think I can go down the road a ways safely, because, well, sometimes someone's gotta, and I've been there before. Might as well be me.

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From:flapper_girl
Date:July 25th, 2006 07:03 pm (UTC)
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Hmm... your entry is making me think of your comments on Sunday night. So what does this mean in terms of my own poetry? Maybe I'm taking this too personally.
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From:[info]ocvictor
Date:July 25th, 2006 07:16 pm (UTC)
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Don't. I think I've made it quite clear I'm a fan and champion of your poetry.

I don't bother opening my mouth if I don't mean something.

I think your writing's excellent, and I think it can go even further. You have nearly unlimited potential.
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From:[info]ocvictor
Date:July 25th, 2006 08:00 pm (UTC)
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But let me turn this on its head for a second. We always talk about quality, of which the poems you read Sunday night were uniformly high. But we don't talk often about potential.

I think (and I don't think your the sort of writer that would do this, but for argument's sake) you could turn out uniformly excellent poems for a good long while that don't reach into new territory. A lot of good writers do. Lord knows I've done it for years at a time.

But that last poem, and also the one about your friend's kid -- those two rang with potential, whole new paths I've not seen you go far down, and I'd be very, very curious to see what happens if you went further down that road. I think there's a lot of excellent work to be done down there.
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From:flapper_girl
Date:July 25th, 2006 10:50 pm (UTC)
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Thank you. That was just my low self-esteem rearing it's ugly head. On the other hand, I'm interested in this conversation and I'm searching for a quote by Dana Gioia (not sure if you're a fan of his criticism, but I like'em). I'll get back to this after java-bill's feature. Will your essay go on gotpoetry?
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From:[info]ocvictor
Date:July 25th, 2006 11:29 pm (UTC)
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Oh, god. I'm still sorting out my thoughts. This is the palce where I think out loud. Rest assured, when I've got my head together, definitely.

(And don't ever think you don't rock. Because you do.)


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From:[info]no_absolutes
Date:July 25th, 2006 11:56 pm (UTC)
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that's some important observation-work, there. linear narrative is certainly not the only or the best way to do poetry. but i don't know about the formal distinctions-- i mean, if a piece of writing shows the *moment* of change in prose, is it prose? what if it's only one line? but what if that line is a complete sentence? i agree that poetic language is figurative in a way that other writing isn't, but i'm more in the camp with "a poem should not mean but be," ie: poetry has a different relationship to meaning than do fiction or nonfiction prose.
ah, hell with this, it's more important to write poetry than talk about it :)
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From:[info]ocvictor
Date:July 26th, 2006 01:16 am (UTC)
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ah, hell with this, it's more important to write poetry than talk about it

In all honesty, I couldn't agree more.

But still, there's always an old guy like me standing around trying to point out where the wind's blowing. Doesn't matter if anyone pays him any mind, the wind gets there just the same.
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From:[info]sassenach1970
Date:July 29th, 2006 05:04 am (UTC)

metaphoric myth junkie

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"in poetry, it is less important (and indeed, usually counterproductive) to look so much at the why of change, or how the change came to occur, than it is to look at the exact moment of the change."

That is a great thought. When I hear a poem like that, I can feel a shiver down my back.

I'm also a champion of metaphor and imagery -- something that slam as I know it really isn't into.... I've been told by people that they like my poem, but they need to see it on a page, that somehow it's more accessible that way..... I was also just talking to Diana Macewitz at the Ballard Street reading and I said that I wasn't sure I could read "Angels", that it was more of a page poem to me than a performance poem. She asked what I meant by that, and I've been asking myself that question.

Somehow, Leah's poetry strides both sides of that fence. It tells a story, but it still holds up on the page. It interweaves metaphor and real life in a way that works .... I've always been trying to emulate her in that .... Some of my favorite poets, like Marge Piercy and Denise Levertov, seem to also have that knack.

I think some poems are narrative, but they can still have a poetic structure to them. But I hate the current trend of reading blog entries as poetry ... it's just not very poetic to me.....


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